The second lesson of Romney's defeat

The aftermath of the US election reveals the old left-right ideological battle is dead, and if Abbott doesn't seek a more pragmatic approach he'll fall on his sword.

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Richard Bos,

I think the reason for the failure of unchecked 'financial capitalism' can be found in the way that the US banks were able to use insane leverage to build up a ponzi scheme in debt, with an unhealthy dose of fraud. Its was more an issue of lack of proper control of the money supply (since the banks were essentially creating their own money) and lack of enforcement with regard to the fraud, than a failure of capitalism as such (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).

Graham Lovell,

Rob, please don't continue the fiction that an ETS is a "market-based" scheme (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).
A true market-based scheme does not just have buyers and sellers; it also has price-elasticity of demand. However, a mandated ETS has a fixed demand, and that is its basic problem, as illustrated by the fiasco of the EU ETS scheme. Here the price varies (down), but the target remains constant, despite falling emissions.
We can be confident that the appropriate emissions reductions will be achieved by 2050; we just don't know how we will get to this point. If only we had a clear path to reduce carbon emissions, but we do not have one. It remains for the market to work this out.
Setting a FIXED TARGET will not get us to our final point, namely, a sustainable carbon emissions status. However, putting a FIXED PRICE on carbon will drive down carbon emissions to that point. Experience has already demonstrated that carbon emissions will drop faster than anyone could reasonably expect.
We could easily go to a phased-in fixed price on carbon emissions of around $40 tonne CO2e, provided it was implemented via a fully rebatable carbon levy.
In electricity generation, it would work like a carbon tax, but since it would be fully rebatable to electricity users it would not put up the price of electricity in short term. The price of electricity would rise gradually as new means of generation were adopted (if these new means were actually more expensive).
This is the kind of policy that conservative parties in both the US and Australia could adopt.
In addition, it would truly work as a market mechanism, driving down emissions as business do their best to avoid this charge. In the process, it would bring to the forefront the cheapest methods by which carbon emission reductions can be achieved.

Phil Clarke,

To properly comprehend our situation we should re-examine an old myth, the one that finds the origin of democracy in the failed system of voting utilised by citizens in the slave state of Ancient Athens - a pearl of wisdom passed down through two thousand years via the rise of middle class culture. it is bosh - but we still teach it.
Democracy arose from the desperate conditions of the eighteenth century, then a pattern of slave empires in which black slavery in the colonies and a vicious trade in human misery found it's echo in the Enclosure of Common Land and the horrors of the Industrial Revolution. The anti slavery movement established the system of popular debate and action committees that were copied in the rising local movements that became the foundations of Socialism and Trade Unionism. These were the forces that pressurised elitist and unrepresentative Parliaments for social change, leading to demands for universal franchise and representative Government.
Democracy was not a Greek ideal - it is the product of an irresistible modern demand for Human Rights. Democracy historically has always been an extra Parliamentary movement. That is what our politicians need to grasp. Political Parties and Constitutions are not set in stone, brought down the mountain by a Messianic individual who sat at the feet of God. They are flawed temporary tools.
Neither the parties of Labour, nor the parties of Conservatism, really represent the people. As time has passed they have developed self interests, and a culture of self preservation, that has lost their role as tools of popular representation. Nothing could make that clearer than the present ICAC corruption investigations in NSW
Throughout the Western world the message is clear - political parties need to reinvent themselves, drawing closer to the people they purport to represent, and no longer fronting and promoting elites through the abuse of media and Parliament
That tea-party. at least, is over (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).

Geoffrey Morris,

In only a couple of years we might be saying where did the Democrats go wrong. (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13)
Just as the Democrats intervened to get more conservative candidates in 2006, the Republicans will just have to excise the loonier parts of the right to get more moderate candidates who can avoid embarassment when they stand.
Jeb Bush, Chris Christie and any of the governors who are repairing their State's finances are all credible moderate candidates.
Their only problem will be Hillary's popularity and chance to make history as well as the economy improving.

Ian Burns,

Thanks to Phil Clarke for another excellent polemic (November 13, 9:53 AM).
I would like to add that the latest phenomenon in the "democratic" political system has been the adoption of the cult of the leader from totalitarian political systems. (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13)
This has in turn led to the media focus to be on the leader, not their "message" eg we can remember that Julia tripped over on a trip to India recently, but not why she was there.
This "Woman's Day" style of reporting is at the cost of policy analysis and discussion.
Bread and circuses indeed!

Mathew P,

The big difference between Australia and the US is preferential voting. The Greens are only a force in Australia because voters know that if the Greens aren't elected, their preferences can be directed to the Labor candidate (or another candidate). (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13)
If the US had preferential voting, then the Tea Party could be a separate entity and the Republicans could move to the centre, knowing that the Far Right votes would mostly flow to them.

Graeme Crawford,

Politics is no different to corporations. They swing from centralised control to decentralised control and Australia is rapidly moving down the path of centralisation ala socialism. That is what socialisism is and Australian's had better get used to it. The decline of capitalism in the USA and strong Government is a good indication of what is to come. The people are fighting to bring about change and have again ended up with a lame duck Government unable to and ineffective in implementing good Government. Similarly but in opposite direction is the rise of China where a centralised Government is cracking at the seams as the people want to be freed from the shakles of socialism. Japan has been going through a recession for two decades following decentralised control and is having difficulty turning around with minority and ineffective Governments. It has taken China and India about the same time to take a step the other way but still have some way to go. Unfortunately it takes many years to bring about the change and it is painfull going through the full cycle. At either end of the cycle it fails and the problems are similar but opposite in extreme. People left behind at either end rebel and bring about the change in direction. Despite its apparent benefits socialism doesn't work and it is the same people who suffer the most being unable to support themselves. Any Australian who believes that Australia cannot end up like most of Europe with the extreme being Greece had better think again. There is a fine line once broken takes a long time to rebuild (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).

Doug Green,

Obama received the overwhelming bulk of the coloured,minority,and welfare vote.Perhaps the republicans need a suitable coloured candidate next time to overcome this imbalance. (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13)
Labor similarly here receives the prison inmate,dole bludger, and union vote,this is a huge block of votes which will never vote for the conservatives, yet its the success of the conservatives which pays tax,creates the funds needed for their non-worked for benefits.
Has there ever been a substantial charitable donation from a union?,there has been plenty from commercial organisations and individuals, Twiggys donation of hundreds of accomodation units to the bush fire victims is an example.Don't say the unions do not have the funds, they of course have their own uses for those funds sometimes those uses do not bear close investigation.But if an investigation is necessary, it will be delayed, but should an inappropriate use of funds be revealed and charges seem likely to be leveled, those charges will take years to be processed, files will be lost,happens all the time,you start to wonder ' whats' the use? sell your business to someone who will in turn become disillusioned,buy some investments if you have anything left, or become another welfare receiver joining the "done nothing,will do nothing,but criticise all" delusional members of our community.

Robert Peterson,

Good on you Phil Clarke! Conspicious by its absence in the list of things that "work" or do not "work" is a sense of duty and loyalty by the Government to the Australian Public (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).
This is because the ALP is the Political Wing of the Trade Unions who are unrepresentative, powerful and solvent and the ALP does its bidding.
The Asian century is not only about money and wealth, it is also about people and their well being,and about Governments that are responsible and do their duty by their people. Can we say say that our Government (which has squandered $250 billion of our money) is an example to be held up as a model for Asia?
I doubt it very much.

Don Callanan,

Malcolm Turnbull was kicked to the curb after he showed an astounding lack of judgement in the Godwin Grinch affair. Deservedly so. (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13)

Ben Burford,

Rob thats exactly what the USA doesn't need with its economy on the ropes, another tax. Even if Obama wanted to do this it would not pass Congress.
I have an idea in Australia to lower business electricity costs instantly by 10%, and help businesses stay afloat. Cancel or postpone (more cleverly) the carbon tax until our economy is is stronger.
Those in touch with the electorate understand the pain of electricity prices and Fed Gov can reduce these at stroke of a pen by 10%.
When other competing economies introduce such a tax we can re-vist it (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).

Mark+ Abernethy,

In an Ideology vs. Pragmatism sense, where do you put Obama or Romney? They both straddled both, pandering to specific ideological audiences while making pragmatic accommodations on the fly. I watched the US Presidential election very closely and I am as confused about Obama's core self as I am about Romney's. The central American issue is beyond political style; it is a problem of maths and what happens when you under-tax and overspend for several generations (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).

James Munro,

Yes Rob, we already know you're a Labor/Greens supporter (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13). Could you perhaps produce an article that isn't seen through the perspective of your political preferences? I don't really see the point of this article. Last time I checked we didn't have a massively growing minority demographic that'd undermine the Coalition voting base. Also, the Coalitions paid maternity leave scheme is more generous then Labor's or the Green's. This is in contrast to the Republicans' anti-women rants on "legitimate" rape. There is no evidence to suggest a link between the recent US result and the upcoming Australian election. How about we stick to analysis rather than idle speculation.

Stuart Mcarthur,

If some Gorbachev-style plain-talking prophet manages to blast his way through the hallowed oak doors and into the angry ears of the Grand Old Party, he would suggest that conservative middle-aged white guys now represent the minority, and tricks like sabotaging Obama's attempts to raise the debt ceiling back in June, to make Obama look bad, have the opposite effect.
Such arrogant Tea Party tactics are based on the notion that the Tea Party know better, the public aren't smart enough to figure out their methods, and those who are will secretly thank them for their wiser-than-thou motives.
Instead, their manipulative tactics are as plain as day to all voters. If they try it again with the fiscal cliff, they will be equally as shocked to see their approval ratings plummet further.
Hopefully this Gorbachev-style prophet can educate them into realising they need to start working WITH Obama. Only that kind of moderate change of behaviour will give the Republicans any chance of regrouping and becoming relevant again (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).

Cedric Wade,

Look, if 20% of th population are supportive of a man from the same or similar ethnic origin and defend him strongly, and if voting is not compulsory, and if 35 % of eligible voters actually vote, then th ethnic vote has a remarkably good chance of getting up (The second lesson of Romney's defeat, November 13).

Trevor Ridgway,

Re 'The second less of Romney's defeat' (November 13):
When all the razzle-dazzle, fury and fuss has ended in the U.S.of A. aren't you GLAD that we in Australia have a heriditary head of state who outshines both those candidates!
Long live The Queen and the ideals embodied in that wonderful institution!
Thankfully we only have to elect her Government and they appoint her prime-minister!