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Didn't Alan Kohler critice the totality of the NBN and its cost in the past? (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21.)
Problem is the NBN is very much a gold plated solution when many of us do not need that level.
Quite a few of you have not understood that FTTN is not the same as the current ADSL2. It will bring a wider reach, a much faster service and should if done properly be more reliable and much quicker to do.
I think Malcom is stuck trying having to support the Coalition's policy (v, August 21). If he were in charge, we might see him with a significantly more progressing policy than the one that Abbott is sticking (him) with.
Where are our leaders when you need them?!?!
Steve Bill wrote: "The reality is it will be 30 years before the rollout is completed."
I think you better show a reference for this. Rollout is 10 years. See the corporate plan if you are unsure.
The National Broadband Network (NBN) will help Australia to reinvent itself as a nation, to become smarter, more creative, innovative and productive (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21).
It's common sense that Australia's continued prosperity no longer relies on riding on the sheep's back and we certainly can't be dependent on raw materials for our country's ongoing wealth.
Instead, as one academic recently announced: we need to forget about the 'stuff in the ground' and start using 'the stuff between our ears'.
And that's where the intelligent infrastructure being provided by NBN Co and the contracted infrastructure builders will help us to better connect to each other and the world. The innovative work and investment by many of these companies not only creates new employment opportunities, it helps underpin what is one of Australia's greatest endeavours.
There are many businesses that have invested in the NBN rollout and there are stilll even more that are awaiting its arrival, so if Mr Abbott does win the next election, the backlash from business would be severe. Essentially the rollout would have progressed too far to even consider squashing such a large-scale project.
As for fibre, it is our future and a lifeline for many Australians whether in metropolitan, regional or remote locations of Australia. We can't afford to look back particularly if we want to remain competitive on the world stage. As one of the infrastructure builders of the NBN told me recently, 'single fibre is capable of generating 100 years worth of traffic generated by the overland telegraph (in the 1870s) in under one-tenth of a second'.
The NBN is such an important part of Australia’s transformation into the new digital world and as the cornerstone of our communications, we need to embrace it as another technological move forward in making us a more clever and productive nation.
The reason Anthony that the government needs to do this is because the benefits for this technology are society wide as in health care, education the primary advantage is not to the telecommunications companies that is why they are not implementing it the cost benefit analysis for a telco is not there (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21). Imagine when the government developed the telephone network across Australia if one of the parties said we don't need that ultra high tech system we will just improve the telegraph system. Communications is a efficency multiplier and no cost benefit analysis can capture all the benefits esspecially because some of them don't exist at all right now and some are not obvious until a technology is widespread.
Great Article (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21).
Australia needs this to progress and become more competitive.
Especially with the emergence of e'commerce, the fall of manufacturing and retail in Australia.
Amazing that people can downplay the need for technology and be happy with a second rate technology (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21). Look at the technology gains over the past 20 years and think what it would be like if we decided to stay with analogue mobiles (no iPhones) or stick with dial-up broadband (slow connections, no large emails, no web video etc).
There would be a huge uproar from the masses about lost productivity and lack of vision etc.
Ed., Why bother contributing if you dont publish ?(Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21) I was attempting to make the point the Liberal Party has been consistent over many years in its refusal to develop technology in particular the Internet. Why is'nt that point as valid as any you have published? I provided references - which is what one is supposed to do. So Ed., I am a little perplexed as to why this point is deemed unworthy of your wonderful little publication.
I think Graham and Todd sum up my feelings very well (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21). When that dang fangled electricity first came in all those years ago, most people thought it was only good for lighting and not much else ! A capital expenditure of 40Billion over 10 or so years for a state of the art communications network is tiny when considering the benefits !
And like electric power, we are only just starting to discover the uses this technology can be put to.
May be just a few will benefit from FTTH (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21)
but there is no doubt businesses, universities, hospitals etc... will derive a strategic advantage from having the fibre to the premises, anything that is strategic should be in the hands of strategic planners, the real economists, even if sometimes called industrialists.
ie: If it is strategic to the nation do not leave it in the hands of rank and files and job for the boys leftist social engineers or pseudo greens, but by the same token, do not leave it in the hands of the banks or the only for profit right wing outsourcers and offshorers till the last drop of blood is shed and all the assets have been given away.
“Rundown” infrastructures are the product of both excessive privatisation and social engineers wrong priorities.
The NBN is a good example of value added and the friction between private and government stakeholders.
Most of the time the lawyers governing us from both sides of politics keep complaining about corporations not been fair and not trying to add value or down process, corporations main forces, management, workers and shareholders will never attempt to add value, unless someone has the skills to make things happen other than by using small prints and a light dusters or employing tax zealots.
The sad thing is you can't commit to the resources needed to support the applicaiton the rollout will make possible because there is a small risk that labor will lose the next election and the Liberals will try and take us back to the last century (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21).
I really wish the Liberals would move their policies into this century or the polls would turn.
Joe H,
Try being honest for once ( Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21). Given your financial background we are all aware that you know better. You credibility should be worth more to you than to try comments like that within a forum like this.
Alan, keep up the great work!
Malcolm, you are so close to being the voice of reason within a depressing political landscape. Don't let the coalition policy of opposition to NBN just for the sake of opposing Labor ruin it.
The Coalition really is flogging a dead horse with their policy (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21).
Turnbull's continued naysaying just leaves the nagging impression that the Liberals will just go back the the shambolic Howard era telecoms policy of do absolutely nothing.
As an ex Telstra employee having 38 years of service with Telstra in exchange, customer equipment and lines (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21), Alan is spot on with his assessment of ongoing maintenance of the last mile of copper down the street to our homes.There are joints in the cable every second house.There is a high rate of corrosion in these joints and sections of cable caused by water.The copper network has been patched adhoc for 10 years.For this last mile to be brought up to spec for FTTN, it will be expensive.Alans maintenance figures look cheap.Telstra will not be doing this for nothing.Sol Trujio would not be part of it,and I suspect David Thodey has got the deal he wants.If you have to replace/maintenance most of copper then Fibre is the way to go.
Alan, with due respect, you are not an expert when it comes to internet and related topics, so it is somewhat amusing that you are going up against a man who is (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21).
I am happy to get investment advice from you via your publications, however, when it comes to internet technology, I rather listen to an expert like Malcolm Turnbull.
Sorry, you lose!
Alan may not be spot on re the 'savings', but I suspect he's well and truly on the right track (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21).
Beware of politicians promising to save money and coming up with large specific amounts. The 'savings' will be swallowed up in all sorts of overlooked costs.
And as a Telstra shareholder, I would be urging David Thodey to extract the maximum penalties for any changes that require Telstra to retain and maintain its copper access network.
Let's just get on and finish it as fast and as well as we can now that it's underway.
User payes (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21) has anyone done the basic sum cost divided by aust population ie best case for conections to come up with cost per person then work out the intrest ie cost per head per year to service debt plus running costs. I dont think many will want to pay the bill Jim
Just like building roads, building high speed internet is something I think is very important for the future of Australia (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21). Unfortunately, all the large projects we implement seem to run over budget and overtime just like the Victorian Desal plant.
The current government rushed into building the NBN just like they rushed into the 'new school buildings program'. The problem this government has is it gets things done but not done the right way. Could the NBN have been built cheaper?
Joe Hockey, I do not believe Alan referred to the $20billion "saving" as being insignificant (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21).
I say saving tongue in cheek, as we all know it is not really a saving, since the money comes from bonds and NBN will pay the interest from revenue. If you cancel a loan, do you really suddenly gain that money back? I don't think so.
Ron. Exactly how does high speed download enhance our capacity to use 'the stuff between our ears' (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21)? Personally I hope we're still 'rolling off the stuff in the ground' to give us a hope to pay-off the NBN to keep the welfare system processing faster. Don't worry though; we're already re-inventing ourselves as a nation faster than a fibre optic broadband network.
Alan, my name is Carl Jackson, I am a rare beast ( Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21)- a professional builder of FTTH Networks who does not have a vested interest in the NBN. I'd like to add an industry perspective based on the projects I've worked on in Australia and O/S.
Firstly this number of 93% - current Greenfield monopoly rollouts are getting takeups of no more than 90% and falling. This is due to direct wireless replacement. It is not possible that 93% can ever be hit. Around the world no large FTTH rollout has ever beaten 50% The takeup figure is not grounded in experience and credible analysts should not touch it with a bargepole - it will be signficantly less than claimed.
The "21st Century fibre network" language you use is nice marketing, but not industry language. The kings of FTTH - Alcatel-Lucent, use the term FTT$ or - "Fibre to the most economical point". The economic law here is that you should only build fibre to as close a point to the home as will pay a return for the investment made in the life of the solution. FTTH is many years from passing the FTT$ test in Austalia. Network builders doing the maths on Broadband in Australia today would always recommend FTTN. I know, I suggested national FTTH to the head of Alcatels Access networks several years ago and was laughed out of his office!
The hype about FTTH networks neatly avoids the issue of apps. The are no FTTH apps and the big software houses arnt building them - they are building apps for the fast growing sub 2MBs/sec mobile phone markets of India and China. There will never be apps that need NBN bandwidth in its lifetime because of these market forces.
Lastly the NBN rollout is more deeply in trouble than is visible outside the industry. The NBN just doesnt have the depth of an incumbent Telco and will not get close to their targets.
Turnbull has built a credible alternative strategy - its closer to an industry professionals approach than Conroys NBN. Crazy's not a credible analysis
Much as I like Malcolm (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21), particularly as an alternative leader to that other fellow, and certainly as a clearer and more articulate presenter of an argument than Joe (read Joe's primitive contribution above), he is on the wrong wavelength on this subject and congratulations to Alan for pointing out a key point against the Coalition's policy that every politician should appreciate - it will prove very unpopular in those key regional and remote areas that are desperately looking forward to being treated equally for once. There are many key votes swinging on this Malcolm!
I say Malcolm is mostly right,but cant be bothered to argue about it anymore (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21).Too many of the people who want NBN are using dodgy arguments or 'trust us-it will somehow be magic!' ideas.Whatever
Anyway,there is one thing i quite agree with you on,Alan.That is ,telstra will be a bunch of ***holes to deal with
For Malcolm Turnbull to be able to do anything he first has to gain Government (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21), and I for one wouldn't be placing any bets this far out from an election. As we all know, 12 months or more is an eternity in politics. The tide is turning and Tony Abbott is getting wet feet.
how are they going to get 93% of the population to conect (Sorry Malcolm, it's still crazy, August 21)? Only one way by being the only supplier and what will that do to the price you will pay? smoke mirrors and a pipe dream Jim