An empirical nail for the austerity coffin

Fresh analysis disproving the correlation between debt levels and eurozone bond spreads puts the brakes on the allure of austerity.

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Chris Brockway,

Steve, austerity hasn't worked. You're right there. But these countries are running budget deficits, and someone needs to continue lending them money to continue doing so. And I'll tell you right now. I won't be one of those doing it. It's an ugly situation with no right answer. (An empirical nail for austerity's coffin, February 26)

Stanley Mulaik,

The point is that austerity will not solve Greece's budget problems either. You can't cut your way back out of a depression or recession. But Greece and Spain were situations where the government social programs were not initially the problem. Early retirements in Greece were working out. I don't know how they were financed, but deficit spending could be balanced against buying imports which would send the money out of the economy. But neither Greece nor Spain (whose deflation resulted from a burst private real estate bubble, had access to unlimited funds from the European Central Bank. The Greek and Spanish government had to go to private banks and borrow money at the same higher interest level other private borrowers had to pay. When they were sovereign governments, they could just create new money and spend it to smooth out dips in the economy. But they did not have the tools like other fiat money countries have to fight deflations. And there is no real sovereign central government in Europe with concern for the general welfare with sovereign control over the money supply.

Stephen Green,

Exactly Chris, Krugman and Keen are stating the obvious and not proving anything. Countries that implement austerity will suffer from declining living standards...until they improve productivity through innovation and hard work.
No one said austerity was going to be fun or easy, it is what HAS to happen when you have gone broke (not just deficit, so broke that people from other counties have to lend you money).
This is Keen just paying homage to Keynes, as he still wants the Left to know he is one of them.

Rob Coles,

Is it really all that complicated? (An empirical nail for the austerity coffin, February 26.)
If you are bankrupt, then austerity is not a choice. It is just a natural consequence. It does not have to 'work'.
If you continue to live beyond your means, then eventually your creditors will restrict your credit, which will reduce your unsustainable spending, resulting in 'austerity'.
Vested interests continue to pretend otherwise.

Roger R,

Both Steve and Paul could have used a local example (An empirical nail for the austerity coffin, February 26).
Australian economic history offers no support for the "crowding out" hypothesis, notwithstanding its popularity with the ideologues; private investment generally varied and prospered with public investment, not inversely to it. Throughout the nineteenth century public investment provided the people with urban and rural infrastructure at a remarkable rate; the years from 1860 to 1890 when public investment was highest as a proportion of all investment were the years when Australian income per head was among the highest in the world.
Australia’s past focus on protectionism and wage equality arose from the experience of the external shocks of the Great War, the Depression, and the Pacific War. Much more recently, those countries that had continued to invest in their manufacturing industry and had lower rates of home-ownership, such as Germany, were much less damaged by the Great Deleveraging.

Geof Nanto,

I agree with Stephen and Chris. Keen's observations are a bit like an obese person, after years of overindulgence, complaining that they're feeling hungry and losing weight after starting a diet (An empirical nail for the austerity coffin, February 26).

Stanley Mulaik,

Steve, correct me if I am wrong, but as to Rob and Geof's comments, I think initially, the Greek government was in relatively good shape debt-wise. Private investors had lent money for private projects in Greece, and it was these that went under, leaving the debtors unable to pay in euros, which is like a foreign created money. The foreign loans had caused a bubble financed by debt, that had expanded the economy. The projects did not generate the surplus needed to pay back the loans, hence the default. The economy consequently contracted as the bubble collapsed, and since other collateral investments were made riding this bubble, these collapsed too. The economy went into a tail-spin down. Unemployment increased. The European Central Bank is prohibited by the Mastricht Treaty from creating any more than 3% of Greece's GDP and lending it (in euros) to the Greek government. So, the Greek government, once sovereign in being able to create its own fiat money (drachmas) no longer had that capability and soon ran out of money to inject into the economy to recover from the resulting deflation the private sector had incurred. It had nothing directly to do with people retiring and getting government pensions at early ages and living beyond their means. Initially the debt the Greek government tried to cover was only a few billion euros, but in the meantime there were hedge funds that had issued default swaps and derivatives to cover the loans as "insurance", so that much more was riding on the default than just the money directly owed by the debtors. Others were losing their shirts. Some suggest that there was a plot to drive the economy of Greece into austerity so that foreign investors from northern Europe and elsewhere could come in and buy up choice properties now at much lower prices, and turn them into tourist destinations--hotels, etc.. So, Greece is a much more complex situation than simply thinking of it as a profligate debtor who was living beyond its means and fell into debt. The problem would not have arisen had the Greek government still had the unlimited sovereign power to create and issue its own money by funding its own projects in the Greek economy. This would have easily compensated for the losses in the private sector and gotten the economy back on track. Europe has a monetary system quite different from ours in the U.S. and I think also in Australia. It is more like the situation in the several states of the United States without a central government sovereign over its money supply. The states have to get their money from what is already in circulation. If private banks don't intervene to help the state governments when they are in trouble budget-wise, everything goes down the tube. We have sovereign governments that can create new debt-free money (meaning no one has to be paid back for creating this money) when needed and spend it into the economy. Modern monetary theorists were predicting this would happen to the euro even before the EU was established and the euro was then only a potentiality being discussed.